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Hillsdale World Record
    Is there anyone out there that really thinks the World Records set in Hillsdale are legitimate?

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BP
Tuesday, September 23, 2014 at 05:22 PM
How can you call it a record setting pull if the teamsters wont drug test? Almost a HOAX !!! Don't make sense to me!!!

Rex Chapman
Tuesday, September 23, 2014 at 05:37 PM
# chrisbeclean #gocats

digger
Tuesday, September 23, 2014 at 05:39 PM
It says Weinbergers record will not stand. How can you call it a world record when they move the truck to another area to set the record?

george
Tuesday, September 23, 2014 at 06:28 PM
good to see all that money yoder left in acme paid off

bushwhacker
Tuesday, September 23, 2014 at 07:14 PM
what money

Rex Chapman
Tuesday, September 23, 2014 at 11:04 PM
That Money was spent on a record setter # shorttail # Topekabred someone did their homework

The Rusty Ranger
Tuesday, September 23, 2014 at 11:17 PM
What was Weinberger's reasoning for not being tested. It makes him look suspect. Did he issue a statement ? If so what was it. Two sides to a story but his is public because he pulled knowing that a test would be required. Would love to hear from him.

U can't see me!
Wednesday, September 24, 2014 at 08:19 AM
Stop all the crying.if u are so worried about what hes doing then buy a pair of heavies an go run with him so he can beat u too.. then maybe u will have a reason to cry

george
Wednesday, September 24, 2014 at 08:37 AM
i heard they paid $100,000 for two horses

george
Wednesday, September 24, 2014 at 08:42 AM
I don't know how much homework they did Rex. The horse in question is Sponge Bob. He was up in Vermont for 3 years and one year with the Browns. just another case of you can't beat them then buy them

U can't see me!
Wednesday, September 24, 2014 at 09:00 AM
HATERS ALWAYS HATE!!!!!

cowboy8
Wednesday, September 24, 2014 at 09:38 AM
On Wednesday, September 24, 2014 at 09:00 AM just for fun wrote:
HATERS ALWAYS HATE!!!!!

Who cares what someone pays for a horse jus remember its only a lot of money if u dnt have it!!!!

Rex Chapman
Wednesday, September 24, 2014 at 11:42 AM
Yep George I know the horse but did Browns beat Chris with him ?? Nobody else stepped up to the plate and surly if it was common knowledge that he would set a record someone else would have purchased him sooner # wishiwasthatsmart Fill in the blanks George seriously I'm a little confused. I spend more time in Apple stores than I do working my team so I can't complain on what I miss out on but I am willing to get smarter

slick
Wednesday, September 24, 2014 at 12:37 PM
Rex do your homework again. Browns beat him at JoJo's pull

Rex Chapman
Wednesday, September 24, 2014 at 01:07 PM
Slick man you sure get angry ,someone pissed in your wheaties , Chris was pulling Jerry and George, ok for you being correct on that let me tell you that you're a super duper smart cat , quess you should have purchased him , now who needs to do their homework , and by the way I ask a question in my previous comment . Learn to read before you print something so many times # thisguyissmarterthanatwoheadedfox heck I don't even like Chris that much but y'all jealous , if you was at the contest yesterday you should have looked at his double trees # itiswhatitis Charlie is a super horse

george
Wednesday, September 24, 2014 at 01:48 PM
Rex, Chris has tried Ed, George, Jerry, Charlie and old Bob in attempts to beat Weinberger. Wasn't happening. I don't doubt Charlie is a super horse but it takes two to win at that level. All I'm saying is they needed a second horse to make it happen and the Brown's had that horse and Mr. Yoder had the cash to make it happen.

Rex Chapman
Wednesday, September 24, 2014 at 02:07 PM
Thank you George i totally appreciate your down to earth honest comment , there is a lot of money spent by many people each year some have more to spend than others but we all have the same goal ... When I get beat by Dennis ,Chris , the Browns I don't like it either but I'm never mad at them and the money I try to figure out what I can do to stand a better chance the next time . It's funny you can be a winner today and they will forget who won that pull in a month . It's the same way in sports who won the World Series 2 years ago who won the AFC championship in 2012 who even played in the Super Bowl that year . Makes you wonder why

jonny
Wednesday, September 24, 2014 at 02:43 PM
I have been watching this board with great interest. I believe it has evolved into a discussion that has been had several times before. There are those that appreciate the money spent by those who have the resources that allow them to spend big money on hores and those who find fault in it. I spent most of my adult life making money in the investment world and also spending the money I made. No one appreciates the principals of capitalism more then I do. Sometimes you need to look beyond your own interests at the larger picture. I think the horsepulling community could take a cue from the major professional sports leagues here in the States. Each has implemented some sort of salary or spending cap in recent years in order to preserve the prosperity of their respective leagues. They did this because they realized that smaller market teams could not competitively compete with the larger market teams. That led to a lack of spectator interest and an overall decline in the sports. The spending cap has made it possible for the smaller market teams to compete which has stimulated an overall peak in interest among the public. Take a look at baseball for instance. Baltimore, Kansas City, Cleveland, Seattle, Pittsburgh and Milwaukee among others are now relevant after many years of not being competitive. This has spiked an interest in the game. How does that relate to horsepulling? I believe you can make a strong argument that the amazing amounts of money spent by the people with the resources on horses in recent years has hastened the decline in the sport of horsepulling. Look at how scarce entries have become at the pulls in the last few years. You can argue there may be several reasons for that but no doubt the rising cost of remaining competitive has a great deal to do with it. I think a lot of people no longer can or will invest the money necessary to continue to compete. Having said that, what is the answer? Certainly not a spending cap but I think it merits some serious thought. As I said previously I'm a big believer in Capitalism and the right of people to spend and I also appreciate one's competitive nature to win but I can also empathize with those frustrated by those who they believe have driven up the cost of possessing horses that enable one to compete now. In closing I will say that I certainly understand and can relate to both sides of the argument. So have at it but I think the more important issue that should be discussed is how do we reverse the downward spiral that horsepulling is presently in and what will it take to see that there is a future for the sport we all love.

Rex Chapman
Wednesday, September 24, 2014 at 03:56 PM
John I can tell you're a very educated and smart man . I may be alone on my beliefs but I don't believe the gap is a great as people make it out to be dealing with the money to buy and the ability to win . Sure Chris and Dennis and a few others may have better quality and the option to buy more but there are people not that far behind them and any mess up or mistake on the track can beat them . Everyone needs to realize Dennis and Chris are both great teamsters and 65-85% of the rest of the pullers in the country couldn't take the same horses and win consistently . With that I challenge everyone to come up with 5 top pullers in each state . 5 guys that over the years have been at or near the top , they must be someone that you would give your horses to and feel comfortable they would be cared for and stay at the top and last .Guarantee it won't be easy to come up with a list

BP
Wednesday, September 24, 2014 at 04:39 PM
I know for sure one family I would sell or let work,train my horses would be the Humberts!! HANDS DOWN good operators and horseman!!

U can't see me!
Wednesday, September 24, 2014 at 04:55 PM
That is very true about the guys that work hard everyday keeping them in top shape. But my opinion is that sometimes the horses make the owner/driver. Give any top guys a horse that wont start or finish an see where he places...so with that being said.. money buys the horses that make owner/driver

U can't see me!
Wednesday, September 24, 2014 at 05:21 PM
Very true

Rex Chapman
Wednesday, September 24, 2014 at 06:31 PM
Dennis has made many horses and won many many pulls .You can't disrespect him because he wins a lot . Heck I want to beat him also but I'm not making excuses or disrespecting his ability to work ,drive or win . Excuses show me a mental weakness and a lack of self confidence to compete at a high level . Just my option

U can't see me!
Wednesday, September 24, 2014 at 06:48 PM
Thats no excuse. .THATS A FACT!!!!!

Rex Chapman
Wednesday, September 24, 2014 at 08:13 PM
Fact is he won for years in Canada before Fisher was born. Like it or not Chris and Dennis are winners . I don't like it no more than anyone else that loses to them but why cry about it , try to beat them and yes it's excuses

The Rusty Ranger
Wednesday, September 24, 2014 at 09:14 PM
The question is still unanswered, why no test ? Good dialogue but no answer.

U can't see me!
Thursday, September 25, 2014 at 10:10 AM
No one is crying... if u read up i said pretty much the same thing u just said at the start of the conversation!!!!

just sayin
Thursday, September 25, 2014 at 12:15 PM
how expensive is it to test these horses at the pulls? is it affordable to test them all or at least the top 3 or 4 teams?

Rex Chapman
Thursday, September 25, 2014 at 12:30 PM
Ok I see that but my opinion is that the horses make the Driver comment is most of the time not the case . So you're telling me that Terry Burger , Tom Brown ,Chris and Dennis need push button horses to win ? Because when you look at the results that's who's consistently winning . I abosulutly don't believe that . I will not call out the guys that spend a lot of money and never win anything maybe they picked the wrong people to drive for them . If I wanted to know why Dennis or Tom declined the test I wouldn't try to find out here I'd call and ask them . Bottom line is I'm sure Dennis could care less what anyone thinks, as for Chris like it or not he holds the hwy weight record now and pretty sure Tom still owns the record for the lightweights and I'm pretty sure not many anywhere could take the same horses and duplicate what they have done . If you think these 4 guys can't pull a problem horse try to follow them

Reading
Thursday, September 25, 2014 at 06:49 PM
For the record. Lots of controversy, interesting to note little if any from competitors that have ever hooked to a world record, let alone crossed it. I suspect they have a complete understanding of how and why, so no need to comment.
What many here fail to realize is that at a "no test" pull ( Hillsdale being only one of many) that has the ground capable to pull a record load there are TWO very different competitions going on simultaneously. The one of course is to pull the biggest load the furthest distance, with no requirement for the horses to be 100% free if a "foreign substance". The other contest going on at the same time by some of the teamsters is to pull a record load that is more weight then ever been pulled before. For that record the team(s) establishing a new record AND wanting it to be officially recognized must submit their team for "testing of any foreign substance within 12 hrs" test clear and the record becomes official.
What happened:
After returning from the Turkey Trot pull One if my HWs developed respiratory distress and a high temp. We treated him. Finished treatment, all ok, good to go after a new record in Hillsdale. The weekend before Hillsdale the temperature can back. To make matters worse Sam had developed two heels abbesses under the bars that needed to be looked after. We treated him. Tuesday morning has Sam walking good, temperature 100.4, healthy enough to go compete. I believed him and Jesse could win, I also believed there would remain traces of "foreign substances" from treatment that could possibly show up in a record setting verification. I also knew they were as legal as most horses at no test pulls to compete. What happened at the pull is common knowledge. Two teams crossed more weight then has ever been crossed. That qualified both to submit for testing to verify an official record. They then both hooked onto more weight 5000 then has ever been attempted and pulled that a great distance. Something never before accomplished by anyone. After winning the pull, I advised both the federal vet, and the pull officials to save their money ($1500 to test and verify the world records set in Goodels) that there was in all probability residue still in Sam and that I wouldn't be "requesting testing for verification". This is completely different then refusing to test at a pull that requires a 100% residue free test to pull. Every puller in the ring understands that.
Re Mr Browns reasoning, I wouldn't presume to give an uninformed guess. You may consider that his same horses did pull a 25 lb smaller record in Goodels, this spring. They were tested extensively , passed with flying colors, and beat me fair and square by approximately the same amount as he did in Hillsdale where he did not ask for testing verification.
Couple more points, Jesse and Sam have won numerous pulls and records that were all verified by testing. That's fact. In 18 years at countless "test" pulls all my horses tested clean 100% of the time, I wasn't about to play games and "try to maybe pass"
Dennis Weinberger

just sayin
Thursday, September 25, 2014 at 08:20 PM
Well Mr. Weinberger i believe that and think you do a very good job pulling horses. Keep up the good work.

The Rusty Ranger
Thursday, September 25, 2014 at 09:40 PM
Thank you for the explanation Mr. Weinberger. Sometimes I ask questions out of ignorance and lack of understanding. I certainly appreciate your efforts and taking the time to clarify for many of us fans. Though some of us do not own or pull horses we are supportive, concerned, and interested in this great sport. We appreciate those who help us enjoy and understand the sport. Sincerely, The Rusty Ranger.

Darvy
Saturday, September 27, 2014 at 02:38 PM

You are all wrong. Sponge Bob was owned by the Spoor Brothers in up-State NY for 3 years and then went to Brown Brothers.

U can't see me!
Saturday, September 27, 2014 at 03:39 PM
No one said he wasnt!!! But thanks for the info

BILL
Wednesday, October 15, 2014 at 06:07 PM
I for one believe Mr Weinberger and thank him for explaining the facts. My Bible says judge not least you be likewise judged. I have watched the manner and how his horses act and it matters little how much any horse cost it is what he does and it must be between his ears to pull every hitch.

BILL
Wednesday, October 15, 2014 at 06:11 PM
It takes a real driver to handle a heavy team, I'm putting in a vote for Tommy Humbert.

Bill
Thursday, October 16, 2014 at 02:52 PM
Thank you Dennis for the explanation. Now maybe some of the nay sayers will stop spreading romers. I said in the beginning, there was some reason Dennis refused and it wasn't because of drugging horses to win. Thanks again Dennis. Bill VanVoorst.



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