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TR OUBLE RIFF BETWEEN INDIANA DRIVERS
    MISUNDERSTANDING BETWEEN INDIANA TEAMSTERS AND THE STATE FAIR LEADS TO A BOYCOT AS MAJORITY STAYED HOME. I THINK INDIANA NEEDS A GOOD ACTIVE ASSOCCIATION
TO DEMAND BETTER TREATMENT FOR THE HORSES BENIFIT. ONE MAY HAVE FILED A COMPLAINT WITH THE MUMAIN SOCIETY.


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Andy
Monday, August 14, 2017 at 07:43 PM
I have been waiting to respond to this thread for awhile and will formulate a much better response in time. However, the above statement could not be further from the truth and I am unable to wait for a more proper response. The reason that the IN State Fair (which I am proud to have competed in several times) experienced a downturn in teams this year is for a multitude of reasons. Some of which are as follows:
1) Entry fee raised form $20 to $90. Yes I am aware that the entry was only $90 on the day of the event due to a late fee. However, if you have ever pulled horse you are well aware that there are days when you wake up to put them in the gear you have a lame one/etc. Therefore, the early entry option doesn't often work for teamsters with 2 horses in shape and ready to go. Also, I do not understand the late fee because it is not like they need to plan for stalls (Please see #3)
2) They dropped the payback from 15 places to 10 places the same year that they raised the entry fee.
3) They treat pulling horses like second class competitors by having us stand our horses on the asphalt and not allowing us to stall (even for a fee). Please see #1. Last year, we pulled in both classes because I did not want my horses to leave the air conditioning and go to the hot asphalt so I could watch the Heavy Class. It was either stay in the arena or go home (it was hot last year)

There are several other reasons to touch on but I will not do that in this forum but if you would like to contact me via my cell phone at 765-748-4509 I would be happy to discuss them with you.

Please understand that this is absolutely nothing against Terry or Dennis or Chris. I consider them excellent competitors and friends. What really bothers me about this entire forum is that no matter the topic, somebody has to spin it into a Terry/Chris/Dennis versus the world topic. We have a great sport that I am happy to compete in on a regular basis. Lets keep it that way. I for one will be attending a meeting with the IN State Fair board to voice my concerns and invite everyone to join me. Thank You. Andy Wagner

Andy
Monday, August 14, 2017 at 08:30 PM
Also, I have been getting my butt kicked at the IN State Fair for 30 years (1st time in 1987) so obviously that doesn't matter to me. I also feel as though any post on this forum should have the name of the individual posting it on there. That would certainly eliminate some of the pot stirring in my opinion

duvall
Monday, August 14, 2017 at 08:42 PM
Andy Wagner, you are exactly right. This was not about Yoder/Hatfield/Weinberger, etc.. This is about the tradition of horse pulling in Indiana and the heritage that goes with it. We all love to compete against the "big boys" and the competition makes us better. Plus, from a personal perspective I would not be able to continue our pull in Bowling Green without the support of sponsors such as Yoder/Hatfield/Weinberger. As I posted on 8/9/17, the Indiana State Fair used to be right up there with Christmas for my family. But, the conditions have deteriorated year after year. At our pull we don't charge an entry fee at all and every team that participates gets $100. It is an expensive sport and increasing the entry fee and decreasing the number of prizes does not contribute to the attendance at the pull. Andy, I think you are a great representative to go to the Fair Board and express the concerns of the puller community. Max and Andy Wagner are always fun to pull with but intelligent enough to know what it takes.

Andy
Monday, August 14, 2017 at 10:18 PM
Nail, I am well aware that Terry and Chris are very supportive of the sport. I stalled horses at Terry's in 2016 while in Florida and thoroughly appreciate the hospitality that was given to me the entire time that I was fortunate enough to stay down there. I ahve been friends with Chris for 20+ years from the time I was in college in Evansville and spent many weekends pulling in KY. My experience with Dennis comes from the experience that I have had with him while Auctioneering at the St. Jude benefit. He has been overly supportive to a great cause and I sincerely appreciate that. As far as the $90, I have been very blessed and that amount of money is not cost prohibitive for me. However there are individuals that have to take a day off work and may not get into the money. That is a $300 expense to them. Also, there were many times when we could not have attended due to the cost.

I don't understand how you are not stirring the pot. Your original reply to this thread (which was removed) said stated that the reason nobody showed up at the IN State Fair was because they didn't want Hatfield, Yoder, and Weinberger to crossing 3 or 4 loads on them. No one has denied but they are the top competitors in the sport at this time.

Like I said feel free to contact me via my cell phone in the previous post

R&D
Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 09:08 AM
On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 10:48 PM Nail wrote:
I'm just repeating old timers gossip.

I believe the above statement is the definition of "stirring the pot".

Nail maybe if you attended the meeting with the Indiana State Fair as a fan and expressed your disappointment with the event, the fair would better the conditions for the horses and attract more teams.

Tom Humbert
Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 08:29 PM
I have been going to the Indiana State Fair for over 50 years. In the old days, they were happy to see you come, and had stalls for the horses. A few years later, they did away with the stalls and they had us a tent to put our horses in, which worked. Then they took the tent away, and put us by the go-cart track. After that they decided it was to dangerous to take the horses down the midway, so we were then moved to the asphalt. I talked to a representative from the fair, which also showed sheep at the fair. I asked him what he would do if they put the sheep on the asphalt, he stated he would go home. People would be screaming animal cruelty if the 4H farm animals were made to stand on the hot asphalt. Why must our horses stand there? I get up at 4 am to feed my horses, have them hooked up by 5am and work them till 10am, then we wash them off, put them back in their stalls with fans blowing on them, then I go to the woods until 6 pm. I work my horses when it's cool out and work myself when it is the hottest part of the day. So why would I come to the State Fair, to stand my horses on hot asphalt. This is the reason I didn't come to the State Fair, it had nothing to do with Yoder/Hatfield/Weinberger. We recently called them to come to some of our pulls. Sounds like someone has their facts incorrect.

Tommie Humbert
Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 06:56 PM
TROLL

Tom Humbert
Thursday, August 17, 2017 at 08:10 PM
Nail: You showed your IQ with your statement about the degree of the asphalt. Would you tie your service animal or child for hours on the hot asphalt? Moron! I'm not sure if you are making fun of me about the way I treat my horses, but 90% of pullers treat their horses this way. You're not a smart man. I'm going to come to the KY State Fair, just to watch you pull horses. Surely you pull horses, being the expert and all. Make sure you come up and introduce yourself and we can talk about it. My name is Tom Humbert.



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