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jb
Wednesday, February 25, 2009 at 01:39 PM
I enjoy watching James Humphrey operate

jb
Wednesday, February 25, 2009 at 01:58 PM
I also admire the way Wendell Armes, Dan Reed, Doug Smith and Scott Brown handle a team of horses

uno
Wednesday, February 25, 2009 at 05:50 PM
I think John Stover,Keith Allender, or Jeff Schlarb has got them all beat.and don't forget Terry Smith by no means.

Nick
Thursday, February 26, 2009 at 09:53 PM
terry smith the keegan brothers boomer clark and donnie middough can drive any thing with 4 legs and a tail

Bob Smith
Friday, February 27, 2009 at 07:46 AM
3 drivers come to mind they can drive 27 1/2' or 5 minute and short as well. Doug Smith, Ben Reed & Dan Reed

Mynewcolts
Friday, February 27, 2009 at 05:15 PM
Skippy Smart here in New England is an excellent teamster.

whitey smith
Sunday, March 1, 2009 at 07:13 PM
On Sunday, March 1, 2009 at 08:04 AM arnold wrote:
out on the east coast junior blandchard ,be it with horses or ponies, 6 foot the best class, and with not fancy/dan over priced horses.

HOW DO YOU JUDGE A GOOD TEAMSTER?

whitey smith
Sunday, March 1, 2009 at 10:02 PM
on the east coast Dan Reed is one off the best he is a real teamster he also won in the west

ROD
Tuesday, March 3, 2009 at 10:07 PM
I think Chris Hatfield has to be one of the best drivers. No matter if he pulls in Michigan, Florida, Kentucky, New York or where ever the pull may be he always seems to excel above the rest. Sure, he does have great horses to work with, but it takes a lot of time and hard work to be as successful as he is. I don't believe that it has anything to do with the price of a horse, it has a lot to do with the driver and his dedication that makes the team a success.

whitey smith
Wednesday, March 4, 2009 at 07:51 PM
Ben Reed buys colts raises them breaks them and pulls them from michigan to maine 6 foot to 5 minutes and won to be the best you should pull more than just 27 1/2'

george
Wednesday, March 4, 2009 at 08:04 PM
On Tuesday, March 3, 2009 at 10:07 PM ROD wrote:
I think Chris Hatfield has to be one of the best drivers. No matter if he pulls in Michigan, Florida, Kentucky, New York or where ever the pull may be he always seems to excel above the rest. Sure, he does have great horses to work with, but it takes a lot of time and hard work to be as successful as he is. I don't believe that it has anything to do with the price of a horse, it has a lot to do with the driver and his dedication that makes the team a success.

I couldn't disagree more that the price of a horse has nothing to do with how successful a driver is. A good pair of horses can make just about anyone look good. Those who can win with a bad pair of horses are few and far between. I do agree that hard work and dedication makes a difference but from what I see at the fairgrounds Chris surrounds himself with a small army of people that do most of the work in getting the horses ready to compete.

Ben
Wednesday, March 4, 2009 at 08:57 PM
I had good teachers in Michigan to watch from, and i always figured if they were winning they were doing something right. My dad was very strict on us, from brushing to harnessing to working them. When i went out East Whitey Smith Sr. took me under his wings to help me, I realized he was alot like my dad for horse care, His boys Whitey,Lou and Bobby helped me alot . For 5 minute pulling Danny Smith and Randy Northrup were great help with the clock work. It takes good help and horses to make the driver look good.And i have seen top winning horses get sold and never win again because the teamster was not very good.

RRR
Wednesday, March 4, 2009 at 09:38 PM
Pete Brown from NE was always a top operator and a very good horsemen.

Alan
Wednesday, March 4, 2009 at 10:21 PM
Six foot pulling separates the good drivers.Fred Cook, Raymond Smart, Benji Lockerby, Pete Brown, Dave Mitchell, to name a few of the old timers from the east. Bring some 6 foot pulling back, not boring!!!!!:

TJ
Thursday, March 5, 2009 at 11:12 AM
I'D BET IF CHRIS WAS PULLING THE QUALITY OF HORSES I CAN AFFORD, YOU WOULD HAVE NEVER HEARD OF HIM.

george
Thursday, March 5, 2009 at 03:27 PM
I do have respect for Chris Hatfield's talents as a teamster. I was just trying to point out that winning is much easier when you are provided the best horses, have several people around to help and your occupation is to get horses ready to compete. My guess is that we all know several pullers who would fare very well given the same advantages.

george
Thursday, March 5, 2009 at 03:44 PM
On Wednesday, March 4, 2009 at 10:36 PM Snowman wrote:
I'm not cutting down the east pullers any but pulling 6 foot doesn't make a good driver. 5 min. pulling makes a good driver and a teamster to make a team keep pulling for that long. Pulling 27 and half feet to make a full pull takes alot also. you can talk all you want bout your 6 foot pulling. but come west or south and tangle with chris. I don't see how you guys keep cutting chris down in many post on here he must know what he is doin sure hes got good horses, but he spends all day with them and to me he is the best driver and teamster out there.

I believe I have witnessed just about every style of pulling offered here in the States over my many years of attending horsepulls. One thing I know is that you need a great deal of skill to compete in all the different styles of pulling. Anyone who thinks it doesn't take a skilled driver to compete in 6 foot pulls has either never witnessed one or is clueless. When you hook to the very large loads that come with pulling 6 foot there is a great deal of strategy and execution needed to cross those loads. Over the years I've seen quite a few really good teams and teamsters come in from out west and attempt to compete in a 6 foot class. On many occasions the teamster did not know enough to cut the boat when the load got heavy or was not skilled enough. So they hook their team and hit the load hard just to have them come back at him just as hard and end up with 10 inches for a distance and a discouraged team of horses. I have also witnessed countless numbers of good horses ruined because teamsters who spent their whole lives competing in 6 foot classes never figured it out. They'd pound their horses straight ahead on big loads and leave them without any will to pull.

whitey smith
Thursday, March 5, 2009 at 04:08 PM
On Thursday, March 5, 2009 at 03:44 PM mtndew wrote:
On Wednesday, March 4, 2009 at 10:36 PM Snowman wrote:
I'm not cutting down the east pullers any but pulling 6 foot doesn't make a good driver. 5 min. pulling makes a good driver and a teamster to make a team keep pulling for that long. Pulling 27 and half feet to make a full pull takes alot also. you can talk all you want bout your 6 foot pulling. but come west or south and tangle with chris. I don't see how you guys keep cutting chris down in many post on here he must know what he is doin sure hes got good horses, but he spends all day with them and to me he is the best driver and teamster out there.

I believe I have witnessed just about every style of pulling offered here in the States over my many years of attending horsepulls. One thing I know is that you need a great deal of skill to compete in all the different styles of pulling. Anyone who thinks it doesn't take a skilled driver to compete in 6 foot pulls has either never witnessed one or is clueless. When you hook to the very large loads that come with pulling 6 foot there is a great deal of strategy and execution needed to cross those loads. Over the years I've seen quite a few really good teams and teamsters come in from out west and attempt to compete in a 6 foot class. On many occasions the teamster not knowing enough to cut the boat when the load got heavy or not skilled enough hooked his team just to have them come back at him and end up with 10 inches for a distance and a discouraged team of horses.

Harry Beaman Bobby Steal and Max were the best of the best on 27 1/2 feet but when they went east they found some one from the east to drive thier horses does that say anyting about short pulling go out hitch on 20.000 see what happens with out knowing what your doing see what you bring home

Ben
Saturday, March 7, 2009 at 02:05 PM
I would like to see Chris's dad drive .

TJ
Saturday, March 7, 2009 at 06:58 PM
you're right horespull 57 ,i think what you are saying is it's all about the horses. what pulls i have pulled over my short lived career as a so called horsepuller, i tried to pick bigger pulls, and i would say i had to pull against chris at all of them , and unless you were on that next to last load with youre horses pulling as well as you thought they could,and then you witnessed chris cross that same load,when his horses had to bear down an give extra when it counted, then you wouldn't realize it is all about the talent of the animal.i think it is fair to say the terry yoder and chris hatfield did show all of us, what a pair of horses can achieve, if you were willing to give it your all. not many of us can give it all to be on top for reasons of family, business of whatever.

whitey smith
Saturday, March 7, 2009 at 08:29 PM
On Saturday, March 7, 2009 at 06:58 PM TW wrote:
you're right horespull 57 ,i think what you are saying is it's all about the horses. what pulls i have pulled over my short lived career as a so called horsepuller, i tried to pick bigger pulls, and i would say i had to pull against chris at all of them , and unless you were on that next to last load with youre horses pulling as well as you thought they could,and then you witnessed chris cross that same load,when his horses had to bear down an give extra when it counted, then you wouldn't realize it is all about the talent of the animal.i think it is fair to say the terry yoder and chris hatfield did show all of us, what a pair of horses can achieve, if you were willing to give it your all. not many of us can give it all to be on top for reasons of family, business of whatever.

give it your all means 2 years salery per horse for most people

Bob Smith
Monday, March 9, 2009 at 06:37 AM
I wish we could start a Hall Of Fame for these great teamsters we have had over the years on both the East Coast and out West. Maybe it could set it up where it takes X-# votes to get enshrined.

hosspowr
Monday, March 9, 2009 at 06:57 AM
On Monday, March 9, 2009 at 06:37 AM Bob wrote:
I wish we could start a Hall Of Fame for these great teamsters we have had over the years on both the East Coast and out West. Maybe it could set it up where it takes X-# votes to get enshrined.

Michigan and Wisconsin already have halls of fame.

Bob Smith
Monday, March 9, 2009 at 07:11 AM
My first East Coast ballot vote would be for ( Fred Cook ) I believe when it came to Pulling horses it will be a long time before anyone puts up the blue ribbons he has over his course of 40+ years of touring the country.. He was a genius with a pair of lines. When the pulls were over he was the life of the party that night as well.

Bob Smith
Monday, March 9, 2009 at 05:15 PM
Great Indiana choice.. I agree.

Bob Smith
Monday, March 9, 2009 at 05:31 PM
I will make a choice for each State. Maine Norman Decker , New Hampshire Raymond Smart , Vermont Fred Cook , Massachusetts Dan Reed , RHode Island Hollis Tucker , Connecticut Charles Wimler , New York Harold Montgomery , Indiana Dale Benham , Michigan Harry Beeman , Kentucky Bobby Steele , Ohio?

Not a bad lineup of drivers.

Bob Smith
Tuesday, March 10, 2009 at 06:44 AM
Super choices..

whitey smith
Tuesday, March 10, 2009 at 07:26 AM
On Monday, March 9, 2009 at 05:31 PM Bob wrote:
I will make a choice for each State. Maine Norman Decker , New Hampshire Raymond Smart , Vermont Fred Cook , Massachusetts Dan Reed , RHode Island Hollis Tucker , Connecticut Charles Wimler , New York Harold Montgomery , Indiana Dale Benham , Michigan Harry Beeman , Kentucky Bobby Steele , Ohio?

Not a bad lineup of drivers.

what about Ohio George Espee Sr new Hampshire George Edwards and for 6' Arther Durgin

Bob Smith
Tuesday, March 10, 2009 at 02:42 PM
Doug Smith is a great teamster, I don't think he's ready for the HOF yet.
On Tuesday, March 10, 2009 at 08:59 AM Josh wrote:
What about David Cox from Illinois, David Owen from Mississippi, Wendell Armes from Kentucky, John Stover from Ohio, Tom Humbert from Indiana, Billy Keegan from Michigan, Doug Smith from New York, Jeff Dubois from Maine and what about Canada?


Peter
Tuesday, March 10, 2009 at 05:39 PM
jeff who?? what about stevie smith from maine
On Tuesday, March 10, 2009 at 08:59 AM Josh wrote:
What about David Cox from Illinois, David Owen from Mississippi, Wendell Armes from Kentucky, John Stover from Ohio, Tom Humbert from Indiana, Billy Keegan from Michigan, Doug Smith from New York, Jeff Dubois from Maine and what about Canada?


whitey smith
Tuesday, March 10, 2009 at 06:56 PM
On Tuesday, March 10, 2009 at 05:39 PM Peter wrote:
jeff who?? what about stevie smith from maine
On Tuesday, March 10, 2009 at 08:59 AM Josh wrote:
What about David Cox from Illinois, David Owen from Mississippi, Wendell Armes from Kentucky, John Stover from Ohio, Tom Humbert from Indiana, Billy Keegan from Michigan, Doug Smith from New York, Jeff Dubois from Maine and what about Canada?


Billy Keegan Doug Smith Jeff Dubois Steve Smith may be good teamsters in their own right but they have a ways to go to be in the same class as a Fred Cook a Dale Benham or a Wendall Armes

Dave
Tuesday, March 10, 2009 at 09:37 PM
To pay respect to our Canadian Drivers I would like to tell you something that most of the drivers/owners mentioned in the previous posts have told me ...They enjoyed our hospitality, weather, style of pulling and winning.......but in no way in hell would they like to do it 3 or 4 times a week...I love the idea of a Hall of Fame even if it is only online. To remember those that got us here is to remember where we are going..(A Canadian said that)...

A gift that all of the above mentioned teamsters have or had is the ability of fitting a collar/hames/harness...which in my opionon will be a lost art that will disappear way to soon......

TJ
Wednesday, March 11, 2009 at 08:22 AM
I DO NOT KNOW WHO FRED COOK IS,I HAVE ONLY SEEN PHOTOS OF HIM DRIVING HIS TEAMS ON THIS WEB SITE AND OTHER PHOTOS IN VARIOUS OTHER PLACES THERE IS ONE PARTICULAR PICTURE OF HIM SITTING ON A SLED OF SOME SORT,WITH A HUGE MOUND OF LOGS BEHIND HIM,HIS TEAM PULLING AS HARD AS THERY CAN. THIS PICTURE IS ALMOST UNBELIEVABLE,IS THIS HOW HORSEPULLS WERE DONE IN THE EAST,BY PULLING LOADS OF LOGS.

whitey smith
Wednesday, March 11, 2009 at 05:44 PM
On Wednesday, March 11, 2009 at 08:22 AM TW wrote:
I DO NOT KNOW WHO FRED COOK IS,I HAVE ONLY SEEN PHOTOS OF HIM DRIVING HIS TEAMS ON THIS WEB SITE AND OTHER PHOTOS IN VARIOUS OTHER PLACES THERE IS ONE PARTICULAR PICTURE OF HIM SITTING ON A SLED OF SOME SORT,WITH A HUGE MOUND OF LOGS BEHIND HIM,HIS TEAM PULLING AS HARD AS THERY CAN. THIS PICTURE IS ALMOST UNBELIEVABLE,IS THIS HOW HORSEPULLS WERE DONE IN THE EAST,BY PULLING LOADS OF LOGS.

The pull Fred Cook was at was in VT they held it once a year it was on a sled with 2 runners similar to the ones used to log with. Fred Cook is a legion in horse pulling from NY to Me from 5 min in ME to 27'6" in NY. thier was a time when a lot of men came from out west just to try to beat Fred Cook. not saying they did not beat him but he won his share.

Ben
Sunday, March 15, 2009 at 01:27 PM
Max Ledyard and Bruce-Jack Fowler were top in Michigan

Charlie
Saturday, March 21, 2009 at 10:29 AM
once up on a time DALEtold me any one could drive a good horse in no one could drive one that did not want to pullnow when you pull againest the like of DALE MAX BIG HARRY LARRY REED JIM HEINSHAW FRAINCES RUTH I COULD GO ON IN ON WITH TOP NOTCH PULLERS OLD BILLY KEAGAN JEFF SCHLARB HUBERT POTTOS BEN RUSSELBURG IN ALL OF THE OLD ONES THEY ALL WERE THE GREATES in the country in i love every mintue of it ask some of them if you dont think i am right CHARLIE HARLEY

Ben
Saturday, March 21, 2009 at 11:17 AM
I agree 100% Charlie

Herb
Tuesday, April 14, 2009 at 04:04 PM
charlie how about Charlie Fisher Paul Davis

Sarah
Wednesday, April 15, 2009 at 04:31 PM
On Tuesday, April 14, 2009 at 10:12 PM Josh wrote:
Who on earth is Charlie Fisher Paul Davis?

Both were from Indiana. In fact, Paul Davis got my dad involved in horsepulling back in the late 50's. Paul's son Dwight still pulls. Charlie Fisher's son and grandson pull horses in Michigan.

david
Saturday, June 13, 2009 at 09:41 AM
On Thursday, March 5, 2009 at 09:30 AM Tanya wrote:
On Thursday, March 5, 2009 at 08:54 AM Bob wrote:
I agree with MTNDEW. Give Chris the same budget as Ben and others have and then send him out across the country and see if he gets the same results....
On Wednesday, March 4, 2009 at 08:04 PM mtndew wrote:
On Tuesday, March 3, 2009 at 10:07 PM ROD wrote:
I think Chris Hatfield has to be one of the best drivers. No matter if he pulls in Michigan, Florida, Kentucky, New York or where ever the pull may be he always seems to excel above the rest. Sure, he does have great horses to work with, but it takes a lot of time and hard work to be as successful as he is. I don't believe that it has anything to do with the price of a horse, it has a lot to do with the driver and his dedication that makes the team a success.

I couldn't disagree more that the price of a horse has nothing to do with how successful a driver is. A good pair of horses can make just about anyone look good. Those who can win with a bad pair of horses are few and far between. I do agree that hard work and dedication makes a difference but from what I see at the fairgrounds Chris surrounds himself with a small army of people that do most of the work in getting the horses ready to compete.


Chris hasn't always had the best teams either & still won! Chris is from a family of great horseman...Chris's grandfather was one of the best there was and along the way Chris has came across many GREAT pullers and watched and learned. Yes, NOW Chris does have a great Team. But, all the money and great horses don't make him a great horseman...The knowledge he hold does...

how many horses has he made by himself not some prospect bought for him but something he purchased and developed all by his lonesome

Horse lover
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 at 08:06 AM
um well what about marvin and hank? he started both of them. sounds like people are just jelous to me!!

pete
Wednesday, June 17, 2009 at 06:19 PM
I thnk the browns started hank?

Horse lover
Thursday, June 18, 2009 at 10:31 AM
my point is that he has had green horses and not horses that have already been winning pulls. hes not just pullin the lines and automatically winning. there not only good horses because of there breeding and their cost but beacuse of their training and the hands they are in. ALso what about the horse pullers that take has beens/baulky horses and are competitive with them???? they need more credit too!!!

Horse lover
Thursday, June 18, 2009 at 07:58 PM
what about the roy horse that chris got out of the sale, i suppose hes not green either??







Horse lover
Thursday, June 18, 2009 at 08:01 PM
On Wednesday, June 17, 2009 at 06:19 PM hank wrote:
I thnk the browns started hank?

ok but did they ever pull him and win any pulls with him?

Tom
Sunday, June 21, 2009 at 07:54 PM
tom newman

david
Friday, June 26, 2009 at 03:05 PM
do you really think a horse that has been gotten ready for that sale for two years is really green how nieve can one person be what do you consider to be a green horse if the amish boys that had roy , worked lugged and hitched him for two years do you honestly consider him green give me a break






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david
Wednesday, July 1, 2009 at 08:55 PM
On Tuesday, June 16, 2009 at 08:06 AM Stacky wrote:
um well what about marvin and hank? he started both of them. sounds like people are just jelous to me!!

and some are kissing his you know what

Ben
Saturday, July 25, 2009 at 08:26 PM
Jeff Dubois is the man to bet in Maine. His roan horse (Tony) is as stout as any ones. And i don't think he will get beat to many times. Look at the results he just crossed the load at a new york pull.

jb
Sunday, July 26, 2009 at 06:09 PM
Jeff Dubois showed some very impressive power in Hemlock New York last week. Hard to come out and say he has the best heavy pair in the country but he sure deserves to be in the discussion.

jane
Friday, July 31, 2009 at 07:10 AM
I think Wendal Arms is still the best and another puller that has quit pulling that was good is Bill Arnett from Sullivan Indiana. Jane

whitey smith
Friday, July 31, 2009 at 12:26 PM
Wendal Arms is one of the best for sure

Henry
Friday, July 31, 2009 at 12:50 PM
I've watched Wendell for many years and he is one of the greats. The one name that I have not seen on this post is Oscar Ethington. I've watched him for many years and he takes ordinary horses and turns them into winners and he keeps them going for a long time.I'd say he is one of the best.



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