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Friday, February 12, 2010 at 03:57 PM
I wasn't able to travel to Florida but several friends who did have contacted me and told me they heard the same story that you had. A couple were even in attendance at the SDHA meeting on Friday the 5th when it was announced that the club had decided to no longer support my website. No one from the club has contacted me to let me know of their decision so I attempted to verify what had been said by contacting a representative of the club earlier this week but have not heard back from them. I have to assume that since it was announced at their meeting that it must be true. So, I thank them for their past support and wish them well. Bill

Friday, February 12, 2010 at 06:28 PM
I can't answer that. As I said no one from the club has spoken to me about their announcement so I have no idea what was behind their decision. I guess you'd have to ask a representative of the club.

Saturday, February 13, 2010 at 12:29 AM
I'm not surprised. I hear their crowds are way down. It is so boring. The same teams over and over and over. Alot of people that I know that have been going every year and they didn't go this year. I know we weren't going this year. We have just been checking this site for results, but now I guess the results won't be posted. If Bill keeps posting the results he is a better man than I am. Just one bad decision after another.

Saturday, February 13, 2010 at 11:14 AM
Everybody just relax. I plan on posting the results from the remaining pulls in Florida this year. I don't feel it is right not to with so many people counting on them. Bill

Monday, February 15, 2010 at 07:41 AM
Fifty plus years ago when I was going with my father to the pulls, if there were three or four teams it was a normal turn out. Today when we go, there will be ten to twelve teams and over twenty pair is not unusual. I do not think that our sport is quite dead yet. With the passing of years, we are losing our older fans. Bill's site is getting the word out to the next generation and we do need to do more to get more interest generated. I also feel that it isn't the money pullers that is keeping the sport alive. It is the average guy who brings their teams even though they know they probably will not win. Without all the teams, you do not have a show. Don

Monday, February 15, 2010 at 04:09 PM
who cares ?
On Monday, February 15, 2010 at 03:34 PM Glen wrote:
Most of you are right, it is not just the money. Our board does not go along with parts of the message board. The personal attacks on people and their personal lives does not belong out there for other peoples enjoyment. The negative remarks on the message board is not encouraging horse pulling it is encouraging slander and bad taste. We know people like trash to read. Trash Sells. Bill has allowed his site to become money oriented by publishing this trashy information on the message board. Much like a newspapper or the news sells if other peoples business is brought out in the open. In the past no one has supported Bill's site more than the SDHA. He has done a great job getting the schedule, results and pictures out to everyone for horse pulling enjoyment. The SDHA is dedicated to promoting the good of horse pulling to anyone interested in the sport. We will do all that we can to support horse pulling in Florida. We do not feel that Bill is supporting the sport in a positive way with the negatives in th message board. We would love to continue to support him if he could find a way to clean up the message board and have more positive things about horse pulling. We do realize it is just a hand full of people who ruin it for everyone. This is just the opinion of the SDHA.
Terry Yoder President

Monday, February 15, 2010 at 05:16 PM
Dont sweat it Bill,this site will get along without that $200.Keep doing what your doing...Ps thanks for a great site.

Monday, February 15, 2010 at 05:49 PM
On Monday, February 15, 2010 at 05:16 PM ramrod wrote:
Dont sweat it Bill,this site will get along without that $200.Keep doing what your doing...Ps thanks for a great site.

Monday, February 15, 2010 at 05:53 PM
On Friday, February 12, 2010 at 09:02 PM caroline wrote:
It wouldn't surprise me a bit. What are the membership dues for a club anyway? I think our club pays $200. How could any club not pay $200 for all you get from this site? Everyone knows the Florida pulls are the rich boys club. I guess times were hard and they just couldn't afford it this year. They could save the money they spend on trophies and use it for the dues since it seems the same people win every contest. I am sure that they don't need any more trophies.

Monday, February 15, 2010 at 10:07 PM
That is the good thing about the USA. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Freedom of speech rules. But, Bill Torrey has not opened his mouth or slandered anyone. Message boards are going to have different opinions. But, message boards usually have on there what is going on at the time don't they? I know other message boards for footbal have all kinds of opinions. That don't mean they are slandering or dislike someone. So, Yoder don't want to pay. Fine. So, Yoder is a great guy. Fine. Bill is still posting the results and not saying a word. The people that want to say somthing have the right to. But, Tiger wouldn't be in the news if nothing weren't going on.

Tuesday, February 16, 2010 at 09:41 AM
You think about it. You have a business with lots of employees. You are the boss. You make the rules. You give the orders everyday. You want the message board taken down. It doesn't happen. It appears to be a control issue. None of us like to be controlled.

Tuesday, February 16, 2010 at 10:27 AM
I feel the need to respond to something Terry Yoder said in his post. The SDHA is free to support or not support whomever they wish and are not obligated to provide the reasoning behind their decision making. But when he suggests that anything I do with this site is for financial gain as he suggested with my decision to add message boards to the site so that people can leave "trashy" posts that is just down right laughable. I could make more money flipping burgers part time at McDonalds then I end up making from this site. I can assure you I wouldn't have to put in nearly as many hours at McDonald's either.

Tuesday, February 16, 2010 at 12:21 PM
I have been asked to write these comments for Oscar Ethington. If anyone wants to talk to him after reading them you may reach him at 502-878-4844. First, he has been pulling horses and ponies for 52 years and has pulled all over the U.S. Oscar has close to 1000 trophies and says each one means a lot to him. He loves the sport and has made many friends. While he does not have regular access to a computer and this website he is aware of what is on it and the good things that it has done. He says he has also knows of the hurt that the gossip that was posted on the message board caused to fellow pullers.
Much of this gossip was sparked by jeolouscy and fueled by ignornance but still inflicted pain that ought to have never been. You can't take back the damage of words spoken once they have been said. He goes on to say that if every one worked as hard and treated their horses as good a Chris Hatfield they would win more also. Lastly, he says we need to be talking about horses and horsepulling and not gossipping about our fellow man.

Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 11:12 AM
On Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 10:02 AM jacob wrote:
In reading the comments of sbg, Henry and Oscar, I must say I am confused. I think that Bill has made every effort to maintain a clean site. I think he has tried to delete anything that wasn't appropriate. In the age of technology there is alot more information available than there used to be. I have not read any "gossiping". I have read opinions and everyone is entitled to one. I think that there has been alot of "gossiping" and "ignorance" about this site and that people are taking the word of others about the content of this site. If you take the time to go back and read each forum and each post, I think you will find very little to complain about. Sometimes when people make up their mind about something they don't go back and look at the subject objectively. I don't see anything that should cause hurt to anyone on this site. People have expressed their opinions and that is all. I don't think anyone should let someone else tell them whether something is good or bad. If you have gone to this site day in and day out for the past years you know what a vital service this has provided to the public. Not everyone can afford to pull or attend all the pulls but this site helped pull us all together. We are not supposed to all agree. But, just as individuals should not be condemned neither should this site. I do not want to live in a country where everything I read or do must be preapproved by someone else. My Dad always said you can never win an argument. I think the last few posts prove that that is correct.

The comments that I posted were Oscar's. I think that what they are refering to were comments that were posted before Bill set the new rules. Many of those posted comments were subsequently removed, but the damage had been done. Your dad is right and as I see that is what the message board became "an argument board" where nobody wins. Bill has worked hard and is providing a needed service with this website but the message board provided a venue that some people abused.

Monday, March 8, 2010 at 07:31 PM
as usual i missed all the gossip, the only problem i have with the fla . club is there not weighting and calling them lightweights 4000 isnt lightweights anywhere but fla. no iam not go to drive 1200 miles to pull in that type of contest. i like terry yoder and crist but lets be honest if you guys had the budget most of us operate on you may have not been so susseull they are not alone the milliomaers have come and gone and we all like the money they threw our way.everyone realizes this, unless you want make it a claimer(like race horses) it will be just as it has for the last 40 years ive been around.besides it give you something to shoot for, they nor does anyoneelse intimadate me as where i choose to go far as people putting horsepullers busness in the streetjust what the anmial right people want to far as dope and all the other b.s. as harry beeman said if dope made pulling horses it woeld cost 5000 and horses would cost 300 the real horse pullers that pull horses year a fter know this is so.

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