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Friday, February 12, 2010 at 10:17 AM,

I am confused. My husband and I just returned from Florida. We attended the first couple of pulls but it was too cold and he is not well so we returned home. I overheard some talk that the SDHA was not going to renew their membership dues to this website. How can that be possible when you have already posted the schedule with all the information and results with pictures. I do not know what the dues are but there can't be better advertising than this site. We always check this site to make our travel plans. Say it isn't so.

Friday, February 12, 2010 at 03:57 PM
I wasn't able to travel to Florida but several friends who did have contacted me and told me they heard the same story that you had. A couple were even in attendance at the SDHA meeting on Friday the 5th when it was announced that the club had decided to no longer support my website. No one from the club has contacted me to let me know of their decision so I attempted to verify what had been said by contacting a representative of the club earlier this week but have not heard back from them. I have to assume that since it was announced at their meeting that it must be true. So, I thank them for their past support and wish them well. Bill

Friday, February 12, 2010 at 04:32 PM
Well, do you have any idea what is going on? I cannot imagine why they would choose not to support your site.

Friday, February 12, 2010 at 06:28 PM
I can't answer that. As I said no one from the club has spoken to me about their announcement so I have no idea what was behind their decision. I guess you'd have to ask a representative of the club.

Friday, February 12, 2010 at 06:52 PM
I don't really know any of them. We always get our information from your website to plan our trip. I think we have some friends that might know some of them. I will talk to them. Thank you.

Friday, February 12, 2010 at 09:02 PM
It wouldn't surprise me a bit. What are the membership dues for a club anyway? I think our club pays $200. How could any club not pay $200 for all you get from this site? Everyone knows the Florida pulls are the rich boys club. I guess times were hard and they just couldn't afford it this year. They could save the money they spend on trophies and use it for the dues since it seems the same people win every contest. I am sure that they don't need any more trophies.

Saturday, February 13, 2010 at 12:29 AM
I'm not surprised. I hear their crowds are way down. It is so boring. The same teams over and over and over. Alot of people that I know that have been going every year and they didn't go this year. I know we weren't going this year. We have just been checking this site for results, but now I guess the results won't be posted. If Bill keeps posting the results he is a better man than I am. Just one bad decision after another.

Saturday, February 13, 2010 at 09:36 AM
Isnt this nice? I guess the SDHA doesn't care that we won't know what is going on down there.

Saturday, February 13, 2010 at 11:14 AM
Everybody just relax. I plan on posting the results from the remaining pulls in Florida this year. I don't feel it is right not to with so many people counting on them. Bill

Saturday, February 13, 2010 at 11:19 AM
I guess it is wrong to blame the whole SDHA when from what I hear a few people are controlling it. From what I hear they did not let the membership vote on this or this would never have happened. There are good people in that organization, but for some unknown reason they have decided to let a few make bad decisions which reflect badly on all of them. But, knowing Bill he will keep on posting the results because he is a good guy and is not going to give in to their level.

Saturday, February 13, 2010 at 02:30 PM
Well, since we are snowed in I decided to do some checking. My daughter says they have a full page color ad in the Rural Heritage at $375. I do not know of anyone that takes the Rural Heritage except my daughter and her husband that are into organic farming. But, I do get the Draft Horse Journal and they had a half page color ad at $500+. I just don't think many people actually plan their trips based on the Rural Heritage or the Draft Horse Journal and they cost a lot more money. It sounds like something personal to me. Not a decision based on sound business practices.

Saturday, February 13, 2010 at 04:13 PM
As a person who relies on this website to provide me with information and results of pulls that I’m not fortunate to attend I am greatly disappointed by the decision of the SDHA to no longer support the site. As a retired business owner I have yet to come across any publication that does as fine a job promoting horse pulling as this site does and from what I understand it may also be the biggest bargain going for those who want to advertise their club or business. But what I find more alarming is that from what I see and hear in my travels to the various pulling events and in conversations with my fellow horse pulling enthusiasts it is obvious that for a domain that could greatly benefit by universal support from both the competitors, the pull promoters and the spectator base it doesn’t seem that will ever be the case. As much as I love horse pulling competitions and I find many people at the events that share my enthusiasm it is quite obvious that it suffers from a dwindling spectator base along with many other problems. In case you haven’t noticed and I believe there are many in absolute denial horse pulling is losing the battle to truck & tractor pulls along with horse shows, concerts and various other forms of entertainment that fairs and events are turning to in favor of horse pulling. I believe there are some factors that work against the popularity of the sport that may not be able to overcome but there are also many that could be addressed. But I don’t see anybody or any of the clubs prepared to fight the battle to keep horse pulling relevant. In a time when we should all be pulling together to figure out ways to see that horse pulling has a future it appears that people are more interested in what is good for them personally rather then what is good for the community. When will we stop the bickering and bond together to fight the fight? I hate to say it but I’m not optimistic.

Saturday, February 13, 2010 at 05:35 PM
Well, I guess this being snowed in is getting to me, but the more I think about this the more angry I get. As Banger said we have so many problems and we certainly need to pull together. I just wonder who is behind this? In my mind the SDHA was primarily made up of successful business men that were able to afford places in Florida and have the time to promote the Florida pulls. It used to be fun and even people that couldn't afford to go for the whole circuit would try to go down for a pull or two. The club membership is ridiculously cheap when compared to the amount of promotion and service your get for your investment. If anything they should pay more. I cannot believe this decision was made by one of the businessmen. They did not get to their prominence by decisions like this. This sounds more like one of the employees manipulating their bosses. But, I don't know who the directors are anymore. Maybe they have just appointed directors who are unable to see the big picture.

Travelin Viewer
Saturday, February 13, 2010 at 09:57 PM
We travel a lot all over to watch horsepulling. It is our hobby. We have watched the Southern Draft horse Assoc. grow from the begining. It is the strongest it has ever been, Thanks to the Yoders, with all their hard work and time.They have brought the best of the best to FL for spectators pleasure.
This is the same type of thing Bill has done for horsepulling. His site has grown thru his dedication to horsepulling. He works hard to get the results posted ASAP. But like all small businesses he needs all our support, thru personal dues and sponsors from clubs.
Horsepulling is a fading sport because the spectators are growing older and we lose a few each year.Those who can no longer travel, still feel like a part of it by seeing the results online. Young people have no interest in this sport.
We feel that if the SDHA does not support Bill's website it is going to lose a lot of respect and perhaps memberships.

Monday, February 15, 2010 at 07:41 AM
Fifty plus years ago when I was going with my father to the pulls, if there were three or four teams it was a normal turn out. Today when we go, there will be ten to twelve teams and over twenty pair is not unusual. I do not think that our sport is quite dead yet. With the passing of years, we are losing our older fans. Bill's site is getting the word out to the next generation and we do need to do more to get more interest generated. I also feel that it isn't the money pullers that is keeping the sport alive. It is the average guy who brings their teams even though they know they probably will not win. Without all the teams, you do not have a show. Don

Monday, February 15, 2010 at 09:24 AM
Don is right. I used to go with my Dad and Mom when I was little and there were never many teams. Pulls are alot bigger now. We just need to work on our marketing. But, he is also right that the future is in technology. The young pullers are on Facebook and surfing the web all the time. Bill's site is simple and allows both the novice and the advanced computer user access. We desperately need this to keep in the main stream. And Shane, from what I hear the Yoders have been huge supporters of horsepulling and have worked hard in the southern association. That is what makes this so confusing. Why would people that have worked so hard not send $200 to this website? I cannot remember a time when I have come to this site that Bill did not have one picture or another of Yoders featured on the site. How many pullers would love to have their pictures featured for even a short time? But, the bottom line as non members of the Southern Association it is none of our business what decisions they make. But, on the other hand I was at Lansing last year when Yoder made a plea for a last minute rule change. I am sure that Yoder is a member of the Michigan Dynamometer Association but is it really his place to get involved in decisions at the Great Lakes? If he can put his two cents worth in there, then I can put my two cents worth in here. Send the money.

Monday, February 15, 2010 at 02:36 PM
I am of the younger generation. Horse pulling is going to be around for many years just as it has already been around for many years. The sport is a sport that is passed down from generations of families. Its one of those things that is in your blood. Sure there are new comers but if you look at the names of the pullers most of them have grown up around the sport! We shouldn't be concerned about it dying out! As for SDHA inc, it is their decision if they want to send $200 for this site, I really don't understand why it is anybody else's business. The question that should be brought up is, why if the associations are paying to have there pulls and results posted, are we as supports having to pay to view them? That does not add up to me. It should be one or the other not both! As for Mr. Yoder putting in his opinion at the Great Lakes, if he paid his dues and had horses there, I am sure that he had every right. Idk if you know, but what he was putting his two cents in about, was to allow another puller to pull even though they weren't there at a certain time, which was a rule of the Great Lakes! It's not like he was telling them where they needed to spend their money. This site is very useful but I think that the associations and the supports are being taken advantage of a little bit.

Monday, February 15, 2010 at 04:09 PM
who cares ?
On Monday, February 15, 2010 at 03:34 PM Glen wrote:
Most of you are right, it is not just the money. Our board does not go along with parts of the message board. The personal attacks on people and their personal lives does not belong out there for other peoples enjoyment. The negative remarks on the message board is not encouraging horse pulling it is encouraging slander and bad taste. We know people like trash to read. Trash Sells. Bill has allowed his site to become money oriented by publishing this trashy information on the message board. Much like a newspapper or the news sells if other peoples business is brought out in the open. In the past no one has supported Bill's site more than the SDHA. He has done a great job getting the schedule, results and pictures out to everyone for horse pulling enjoyment. The SDHA is dedicated to promoting the good of horse pulling to anyone interested in the sport. We will do all that we can to support horse pulling in Florida. We do not feel that Bill is supporting the sport in a positive way with the negatives in th message board. We would love to continue to support him if he could find a way to clean up the message board and have more positive things about horse pulling. We do realize it is just a hand full of people who ruin it for everyone. This is just the opinion of the SDHA.
Terry Yoder President

Monday, February 15, 2010 at 05:16 PM
Dont sweat it Bill,this site will get along without that $200.Keep doing what your doing...Ps thanks for a great site.

Monday, February 15, 2010 at 05:49 PM
On Monday, February 15, 2010 at 05:16 PM ramrod wrote:
Dont sweat it Bill,this site will get along without that $200.Keep doing what your doing...Ps thanks for a great site.

Monday, February 15, 2010 at 05:53 PM
On Friday, February 12, 2010 at 09:02 PM caroline wrote:
It wouldn't surprise me a bit. What are the membership dues for a club anyway? I think our club pays $200. How could any club not pay $200 for all you get from this site? Everyone knows the Florida pulls are the rich boys club. I guess times were hard and they just couldn't afford it this year. They could save the money they spend on trophies and use it for the dues since it seems the same people win every contest. I am sure that they don't need any more trophies.

Monday, February 15, 2010 at 09:06 PM
Terry, thank you for your honesty. It is nice to know what is going on. I appreciate your opinion. Bill does his best to maintain the message board and has never posted a negative comment about anyone as far as I know. As we have just been reminded on one of the other forums, Bill set guidelines and asked everyone to play nice. I think for the most part people have and Bill does an excellent job of monitoring the site. I think he deletes any inappropriate content. But, once again it is a forum for opinions and everyone is not going to agree. Thanks for letting everyone know what is going on so that we can get past the SDHA and on with our lives.

Monday, February 15, 2010 at 10:07 PM
That is the good thing about the USA. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Freedom of speech rules. But, Bill Torrey has not opened his mouth or slandered anyone. Message boards are going to have different opinions. But, message boards usually have on there what is going on at the time don't they? I know other message boards for footbal have all kinds of opinions. That don't mean they are slandering or dislike someone. So, Yoder don't want to pay. Fine. So, Yoder is a great guy. Fine. Bill is still posting the results and not saying a word. The people that want to say somthing have the right to. But, Tiger wouldn't be in the news if nothing weren't going on.

Tuesday, February 16, 2010 at 04:07 AM
aparently Mr. Yoder is not in favor of people expressing his/her opinion unless they share his opinion. i believe this country has gone to war to preserve our right to express our opnion. love the sight. love the messahe boards. loud & proud

Tuesday, February 16, 2010 at 07:16 AM
Now what should we make of all this? This is how I see it. Mr. Yoder says that We would love to continue to support him if he could find a way to clean up the message board and have more positive things about horse pulling. Isn’t that exactly what Bill did back in the summer? After Bill posted his new rules for posting things clearly changed. There hasn’t been a personal attack or anything posted that could be defined as hurting Horsepulling since. Here is the real problem. Its more likely that Mr. Yoder really wanted the message board removed. He expected Bill would remove it when he told him to a year ago. Then Yoder say s that we do not feel that Bill is supporting the sport in a positive way. This site offers more information on scheduled horsepulls then I have seen anywhere else. It obviously provides more results. It posts information on how to become members of most of the pulling clubs in the US and Canada, it offers more vidieos for sale then anywhere else. It offers newspaper articles, puller profiles links to other webpages on Horsepulling, hundreds of photos past and present. If that isn’t supporting/promoting Horsepulling in a positive manner then I don’t know what is. Bill you do it better then anyone . Don’t let anyone tell you different.

Tuesday, February 16, 2010 at 08:58 AM
Out of curiosity. How many of you website subscribers out there have paid for a subscription so that you can post "trash" as Mr. Yoder calls it? I find that remark insulting. I subscribe because this site offers more information on horsepulling then any other source. I'm proud to support the man and his website. I have no idea how many subscribers Bill has but I'm guesiing there are a great deal. Maybe Mr. Yoder should take note of who he is insulting with such a claim.

Tuesday, February 16, 2010 at 09:41 AM
You think about it. You have a business with lots of employees. You are the boss. You make the rules. You give the orders everyday. You want the message board taken down. It doesn't happen. It appears to be a control issue. None of us like to be controlled.

Tuesday, February 16, 2010 at 10:27 AM
I feel the need to respond to something Terry Yoder said in his post. The SDHA is free to support or not support whomever they wish and are not obligated to provide the reasoning behind their decision making. But when he suggests that anything I do with this site is for financial gain as he suggested with my decision to add message boards to the site so that people can leave "trashy" posts that is just down right laughable. I could make more money flipping burgers part time at McDonalds then I end up making from this site. I can assure you I wouldn't have to put in nearly as many hours at McDonald's either.

Tuesday, February 16, 2010 at 11:36 AM
Im pretty for sure that none of the members of the site have followed any of the NEW POSTING RULES. You can go back and look at the previous forums, even go look at the threads on this one. Everybody was bashing the SDHA for not sending the money and now, since Mr. Yoder sated his reasons, people are now bashing him. It wasn't about freedom of speech it was about people having class and posting positive things on this site. As for the money aspect there are sites out there that have sponsors, that do not charge people to use them. I am sure that we have all heard of Facebook, and MySpace. Also despite the decision of the SDHA to not send their sponsorship they have had more teams and bigger crowds this year even with the bad weather. The hear say that the pulls are down is simply hear say. If you want the truth you should go and see how much things are suffering in Florida this year.

Tuesday, February 16, 2010 at 12:21 PM
I have been asked to write these comments for Oscar Ethington. If anyone wants to talk to him after reading them you may reach him at 502-878-4844. First, he has been pulling horses and ponies for 52 years and has pulled all over the U.S. Oscar has close to 1000 trophies and says each one means a lot to him. He loves the sport and has made many friends. While he does not have regular access to a computer and this website he is aware of what is on it and the good things that it has done. He says he has also knows of the hurt that the gossip that was posted on the message board caused to fellow pullers.
Much of this gossip was sparked by jeolouscy and fueled by ignornance but still inflicted pain that ought to have never been. You can't take back the damage of words spoken once they have been said. He goes on to say that if every one worked as hard and treated their horses as good a Chris Hatfield they would win more also. Lastly, he says we need to be talking about horses and horsepulling and not gossipping about our fellow man.

Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 11:12 AM
On Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 10:02 AM jacob wrote:
In reading the comments of sbg, Henry and Oscar, I must say I am confused. I think that Bill has made every effort to maintain a clean site. I think he has tried to delete anything that wasn't appropriate. In the age of technology there is alot more information available than there used to be. I have not read any "gossiping". I have read opinions and everyone is entitled to one. I think that there has been alot of "gossiping" and "ignorance" about this site and that people are taking the word of others about the content of this site. If you take the time to go back and read each forum and each post, I think you will find very little to complain about. Sometimes when people make up their mind about something they don't go back and look at the subject objectively. I don't see anything that should cause hurt to anyone on this site. People have expressed their opinions and that is all. I don't think anyone should let someone else tell them whether something is good or bad. If you have gone to this site day in and day out for the past years you know what a vital service this has provided to the public. Not everyone can afford to pull or attend all the pulls but this site helped pull us all together. We are not supposed to all agree. But, just as individuals should not be condemned neither should this site. I do not want to live in a country where everything I read or do must be preapproved by someone else. My Dad always said you can never win an argument. I think the last few posts prove that that is correct.

The comments that I posted were Oscar's. I think that what they are refering to were comments that were posted before Bill set the new rules. Many of those posted comments were subsequently removed, but the damage had been done. Your dad is right and as I see that is what the message board became "an argument board" where nobody wins. Bill has worked hard and is providing a needed service with this website but the message board provided a venue that some people abused.

Monday, March 8, 2010 at 07:31 PM
as usual i missed all the gossip, the only problem i have with the fla . club is there not weighting and calling them lightweights 4000 isnt lightweights anywhere but fla. no iam not go to drive 1200 miles to pull in that type of contest. i like terry yoder and crist but lets be honest if you guys had the budget most of us operate on you may have not been so susseull they are not alone the milliomaers have come and gone and we all like the money they threw our way.everyone realizes this, unless you want make it a claimer(like race horses) it will be just as it has for the last 40 years ive been around.besides it give you something to shoot for, they nor does anyoneelse intimadate me as where i choose to go far as people putting horsepullers busness in the streetjust what the anmial right people want to far as dope and all the other b.s. as harry beeman said if dope made pulling horses it woeld cost 5000 and horses would cost 300 the real horse pullers that pull horses year a fter know this is so.

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